Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

[rsadelle]

So, I run this list. It's not the only Metallica slash out there. There are people on metslash who aren't on the list that dare not speak its name, and vice versa. There are some people on both lists. Most of the people who are no mail and/or lurkers on metslash are on both lists. Most of the people who post fic are only on metslash.

Every time I remind people about our archiving policies, I remind them that crossposting is okay. It is possible to post a fic to a list without granting archiving permission. I know that some of the people on both lists are writers. I know that some of them are extremely good writers. I know that they've posted fic to the other list. And yet, with the exception of one author and one story by a second author, none of them post to metslash.

Why not?

Is it because we don't automatically jump up and down and say, "Oh, you're so wonderful, that was the best story ever, when are you writing the sequel?" to every piece of fic that gets posted? Is it because I actually dare to say what I don't like about fic? I only wish someone would critique my fic the way I've critiqued other people's fic. Well, the more recent stuff anyway; I know just how bad some of my older fic is. Isn't that far more useful to you as a writer than unconditional praise for every word you write?

Or perhaps, like one person who recently unsubbed, they don't like it that I dare say that I don't like some of the writing and list policies of the other list. Apparently the fact that all three S's and various other people from the other list have said extremely negative things about metslash and me in their journals and journal comments is completely irrelevant.

Not that I'm bitter.

Comments

It's me Kris

[(Anonymous)]

Since my unsubbing seemed to have just really ticked you off, I'll just make MY voice heard here as well. I left soley because I refuse to be a part of a list that gets its kicks off of trashing another lists and their policies. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it simply smacks of jealousy and blatant immaturity. YOU are not on Tallific so what the heck does it matter to you WHAT her policies are???
What amazes me is that you try to come off as this wonderfully peaceful, mature, responsible adult. That your list is so wonderful because you allow lurkers. Newsflash: Trashing other lists and it's members is neither peaceful nor mature, and I'd expect better from someone that is supposed to be a "list mom" I think that is what disgusts me the most about you and your behavior.
Moreover, to just clarify this situation about me leaving, I joined metslash, met Liz and she pointed me in the direction of tallific as she knew that I was not happy with metslash. For that, I'm more grateful then you could ever imagine. You may not agree with the way Spooky runs her list, but let me tell you, not one person on there is a snob, and more the 3 people post on a regular basis. I've made some really wonderful friends over there, and I've not even been there a month. To me, that says a hell of a lot more about tallific then metslash.
And most importantly, I actually feel ENCOURAGED to write for that list. I'm currently working on something now, and am actually looking foward to having Spooky beta it. Why? Because when it comes to critique, she is the most blatantly honest person I know. She will be more then happy to tell me if it's great..just the same as she'll tell me it stinks like last weeks garbage.
There's my .02

Re: It's me Kris

[rsadelle]

Apparently the point that this is my journal as Ruth Sadelle Alderson the person and not the journal of the metslash listmom has gotten lost in translation. This is not official metslash policy. This is how I, as a reader of Metallica slash and a former member of tallific, feel about things.

I'm glad you're happy on tallific. Despite what tallific people seem to believe, I'm not talking about this and I didn't start metslash out of some mean and spiteful urge to mess up their list. If you weren't happy on metslash, then leaving was the right thing to do. What bothers me about it is that you seem to think I am metslash. That's not true. I'm only one of 56 people on the list. I was unhappy on tallific long ago, and I left that list. I bitch about it because it still bothers me, and because this is my personal journal and I can talk about whatever I want to in it. You're doing the same thing. Good for you. Bitch about metslash if it makes you angry. Leave the list if you hate it. I did the same thing.

Re: It's me Kris--Kris Again

[(Anonymous)]

What I don't understand, is why it still bothers you so much?? You have metslash, why not act like an adult and leave tallific alone? Are you THAT insecure about your own list that you have to go around bashing the way another list is run? My whole point is, your not on the list anymore, you left. So what is it to you if they have a policy that you don't agree with? What business is it of yours??
I know this is your journal. You can write whatever you want. But, if you didn't want people to see your journal, and see you bashing tallific, you'd write about it in a private journal. Come on now, who are you really kidding here? Nobody but yourself!
Your dragging in members of tallific by bashing them. What do you think? People are just going to sit idly by while you bash something that is important to them? There is a thing called loyalty. Not to mention, by Spooks having this no-lurking rule, it gives everyone the opportunity to get to know one another and to have fun here. Not only have 3 or 4 people out of 56 posting on a regular basis and snobbery being alive and well. If someone doesn't like the no-lurking rule, they can leave, nobody says they have to stay. Oh wait, you already know that don't you. ;)

Re: It's me Kris--Kris Again, Liz here

[(Anonymous)]

First of all Kris, I am glad you are happy on tallific, I to have enjoyed being on there for the past couple of months, I too have made some wonderful friends on this list. These were people who were there for me when I lost two cats within weeks of each other, who constantly push me to become a better writer...They do this by doing a simple little thing called telling me whether or not they are enjoying a fic. Yes there are times when I feel people aren't reading a story, but when that happens I know it's most often cause of time restriants because I have the best BETA out there (Spooks) and she wouldn't hesitate to tell me if a story completely sucked ass, something she has done before.

As far as comments about other lists in LJ's I think it is a little immature to take your frustrations out in public like this...

I also think that there is a lot of snobbery that goes on in Metslash, mostly due to the fact that because I am not a fan of certain pairings I am an outsider...and in tallific I have never been made to feel that way.

As for your attacking Kris...well I think that that is a little petty. It is wrong for you to attack people you barely know...I am loyal, and when you become my friend you stay that way until you break my trust, and you all know what you did to betray that trust.

Snobbery, LJs, and the rest

[minette.livejournal.com]

Snobbery in metslash because you like James/Kirk? That's news to me. A majority of us on the list happen to like a lot of pairings and yes, James/Kirk is one of them for me, even though Jason/James is dominant, but personally, I don't recall looking down at someone for the pairings they liked.

I criticized James/Kirk in my journal because back then, it was the dominant pairing in Metallica slash and because I tended to dislike the characterization of most stories, not because I disliked the pairing itself. I tend to want more pairings in any fandom and, if I'm writing in that fandom, then I don't stick to one pairing, but to each her own, I guess.

Our LiveJournals are a place where we talk about the things that affect us, positively or negatively, and that we choose to comment on it in public is not immature or childish. It's merely our opinions and reactions to certain events put in a public forum.

As for us attacking Kris, well, how exactly did anyone do that? Melle and Ruth merely responded to her comments and no one bashed what she said or denied that she had a point; they merely disagreed with her. Seeing that as an attack just reinforces my belief that voicing an opinion different from the norm is unacceptable in most RPS fandoms, especially this one, which is sad for fandom in general. Having a dissenting opinion shouldn't label you a flamer, a bitch, or an immature child.

Despite your thinking we're psychics, none of us, especially me, know what we did to betray that trust. Should you find time to inform us of this, it'd be much appreciated.

Re: It's me Kris--Kris Again, Liz here

[rsadelle]

I'm glad you're happy on tallific. You should be happy on whatever list(s) you're on. As I said to Kris, if you really hated metslash that much, unsubbing was the right thing to do.

We couldn't ever tell you if we were enjoying your fic or not because you never posted to metslash.

If you think it's immature to do this publicly, why join in the discussion here and why talk about it in your own journal?

When I was on tallific, I felt like an outsider for being fed up with James/Kirk the way it was being written. I think you and Cari missed half the point of what both Nette and I said about James/Kirk, which is that we want to read James/Kirk. What we really want to read, and what we're both working on writing now, is James/Kirk with different relationship dynamics and characterizations. I got into slash because I was looking for new and different things to read, and that's still a large part of why I'm here.

I'm not attacking Kris in any way. I'm merely responding to the things she's said.

Re: Liz here

[(Anonymous)]

I said something in my LJ but I didn't used names...it was a little thing called tact! I got into this discussion because I saw my FRIENDS being attacked and I didn't agree with it. I did the same thing when I was on your list and they attacked you all on the metallica boards, I am one thing if not loyal.

Re: Liz here

[rsadelle]

I'm not attacking anyone. Disagreement is not a personal attack.

Nope

[caarirose.livejournal.com]

No point was missed.

I understand it's what you're looking to read right now, I was just pointing out why I wouldn't trust you to read what I wrote.

Other than that, I'm sorry, but I'm finding this one hell of giggle.

But as somebody else said, I'm weird like that.

Re: Nope

[rsadelle]

I'm sorry you wouldn't trust me to read your fic, because I meant it when I said that I do not fuck around when it comes to writing. I am capable of ignoring how I feel about an author, or her beta reader or anyone else connected with the fic, as a person and looking at the story as a story on its own.

Re: It's me Kris--Kris Again

[rsadelle]

It bothers me so much because I'm still bitter and angry about what happened when I was on that list. You're missing the point that whatever I have to say about Spooky, her list, or her writing is secondary to the fact that I need and want to say it.

I'm hardly dragging anyone into this. I didn't force anyone to read or reply to my journal.