Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

[rsadelle]

So, I run this list. It's not the only Metallica slash out there. There are people on metslash who aren't on the list that dare not speak its name, and vice versa. There are some people on both lists. Most of the people who are no mail and/or lurkers on metslash are on both lists. Most of the people who post fic are only on metslash.

Every time I remind people about our archiving policies, I remind them that crossposting is okay. It is possible to post a fic to a list without granting archiving permission. I know that some of the people on both lists are writers. I know that some of them are extremely good writers. I know that they've posted fic to the other list. And yet, with the exception of one author and one story by a second author, none of them post to metslash.

Why not?

Is it because we don't automatically jump up and down and say, "Oh, you're so wonderful, that was the best story ever, when are you writing the sequel?" to every piece of fic that gets posted? Is it because I actually dare to say what I don't like about fic? I only wish someone would critique my fic the way I've critiqued other people's fic. Well, the more recent stuff anyway; I know just how bad some of my older fic is. Isn't that far more useful to you as a writer than unconditional praise for every word you write?

Or perhaps, like one person who recently unsubbed, they don't like it that I dare say that I don't like some of the writing and list policies of the other list. Apparently the fact that all three S's and various other people from the other list have said extremely negative things about metslash and me in their journals and journal comments is completely irrelevant.

Not that I'm bitter.

Comments

In response...

[(Anonymous)]

Mell - "But it has changed. If nothing else, the archive has gone way more 'hidden' than it was, even to the point of being deleted for no logical reason because you don't want to be discovered. This is why we talk about The List That Dare Not Speak Its Name. Because if you don't even have the guts to post under your 'real' *pseud* in defense of Metallica slash, we have no reason to assume you'd appreciate being publicised on LJ -- because every child can figure out how to derive the list URL from its name."

The entire site was not deleted for no reason. It was moved to protect those who wish to remain anonymous after the coming out of metslash on the MetBoards. You may think it was for no reason. And now it will be harder for said child to actually find the site. As I said, we have always been private, moreso now. We however think there was a very good reason. You just believe we are wrong in our reasonings because they conflict with yours.

As for not having the *guts* to post under my own pseud. That is MY CHOICE. Who are you to try and take that away from me? Or suggest that I am wrong by not doing so? If i chose to keep that part of my life private I should be able to. Just like if you want to flame it to the world that you do write it. Fine more power to you. People who don't have any idea about my slash writing know me as sel, so I prefer to keep it as private as possible. I'm not wrong for trying to do that. On the Metboards I did defend metslash under Sel. That was my choice again, it seems i made a mistake.

As for the collar comment, yes it was said in chat...I however prefer to drop it. Yes I know i brought it up...but this is my decision as well. One which im sure you will view as wrong. Do I believe them...why would 3 different people lie?

As for discussing list policy...and voting on it. We have at talli, so I really don't know where you are getting your information from. As teesa has said...everything that has been a major issue was discussed and voted on...opened to the entire list. So if you are getting information to the contrary i don't know why.

Oh and because it was expressed that if you had negative feedback or somthing about a story they should be sent off list...that is considered wrong? Unless a writer requests a neg crit. I don't see why thats wrong on anyones part. It's kept our list from erupting into flame wars. And as for posting negative sentiments that pertain to list policies or Discussions...many on our list have. AND they have been adult enought to work out their differences on list. So I really don't see what you are talking about there as well.

These were feelings only you and ruth had ( I say this because no one else came forward and said this to me. oops sorry there was one other who did.) ...in regards to the list being negative in any way. You never expressed them to any of us. You left the list that was it.

Yet you continue to crusade about what is wrong with US. Why for gods sake? What is the facination?

I think teesa said it best, getting over this would be a good thing.

Re: In response...

[rsadelle]

I'll let Melle respond to most of your points, because I know she'll be disappointed if I do it all and leave nothing left for her to respond to, but I want to clarify one thing. She wasn't talking about being able to find the archive. She was talking about the fact that by knowing the name of any list at Yahoo! Groups, anyone familiar with their structure can find that page for it and click on the "join" link.

Re: In response...

[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

The entire site was not deleted for no reason. It was moved to protect those who wish to remain anonymous after the coming out of metslash on the MetBoards.

The site was moved from Squidge after the list split. Since then, the URL and the password has always been secret. During the FS thing, it was taken offline for a while. At least, that's what I was told by someone who is still on Tallific. If this is true, it seems to me to be really very paranoid, because no one from the FS discussion could've gotten the URL, let alone the password, to the archive.

Oh and because it was expressed that if you had negative feedback or somthing about a story they should be sent off list...that is considered wrong?

It's 'wrong', because it added tremendously to my impression that only shiny happy thoughts could be expressed on-list.

And as for posting negative sentiments that pertain to list policies or Discussions...many on our list have. AND they have been adult enought to work out their differences on list

It's been 6 months since I left Tallific. Apparently, that part of the list atmosphere has changed since then. Good for the people that are on Tallific now. I recall things being different.

These were feelings only you and ruth had ( I say this because no one else came forward and said this to me.

That's one of the things we've been saying all along. People who don't feel like they can express negative opinions about the list to you three are obviously not going to come to you and say that. I know of at least one person who is only on tallific for the stories. Ruth has had a conversation with another person who also feels this way. There are likely a number of other people who agree with this but haven't talked to us. As I said, these people are very unlikely to come to you and talk about this.