Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

[rsadelle]

So, I run this list. It's not the only Metallica slash out there. There are people on metslash who aren't on the list that dare not speak its name, and vice versa. There are some people on both lists. Most of the people who are no mail and/or lurkers on metslash are on both lists. Most of the people who post fic are only on metslash.

Every time I remind people about our archiving policies, I remind them that crossposting is okay. It is possible to post a fic to a list without granting archiving permission. I know that some of the people on both lists are writers. I know that some of them are extremely good writers. I know that they've posted fic to the other list. And yet, with the exception of one author and one story by a second author, none of them post to metslash.

Why not?

Is it because we don't automatically jump up and down and say, "Oh, you're so wonderful, that was the best story ever, when are you writing the sequel?" to every piece of fic that gets posted? Is it because I actually dare to say what I don't like about fic? I only wish someone would critique my fic the way I've critiqued other people's fic. Well, the more recent stuff anyway; I know just how bad some of my older fic is. Isn't that far more useful to you as a writer than unconditional praise for every word you write?

Or perhaps, like one person who recently unsubbed, they don't like it that I dare say that I don't like some of the writing and list policies of the other list. Apparently the fact that all three S's and various other people from the other list have said extremely negative things about metslash and me in their journals and journal comments is completely irrelevant.

Not that I'm bitter.

Comments

Re: Don't be bitter...and don't blame it on us...

[rsadelle]

I think you're missing the point. I don't think my list is failing. I don't think my list policies are failing. I am somewhat frustrated because people aren't comfortable crossposting. Perhaps my question ought to have been, "Why don't people feel comfortable crossposting?"

I've never accused anyone of leading anyone else around by the nose. Nette has said that she resents the implication that I'm leading people around by the nose. I second that resentment.

If you don't give a fuck, why are you still reading my journal and commenting in it?

What I object to perhaps more than some of the list that dare not speak its name's list policies, although I object to those as general list policies, not as list policies specific to that list, is the list attitude that any potential criticism of Spooky, either as listmom or as a writer, is absolutely wrong and should not be voiced by anyone. No list, no listmom, and no writer should be uncriticizable.

Re: Don't be bitter...and don't blame it on us...

[(Anonymous)]

Babe, If it's that importaint for you to criticize spookie...then by all means do it. If doing something so petty makes you happy.

But ask yourself why you are doing it. Why should she matter at all to you. You have stated you dont like her or her policies...why can't that be it. Why is there a crusade on your part to defend an imaginary problem? Cause if there was a problem...I believe more people would have left tallific.

Like i said this has become personal. If it wasn't personal You would have asked your list the question instead of posting it to your LJ.

If someone isnt confortable crossposting..they haven't said anything to me on list or off list. If they voice this to you...then they should voice it to one of us. I'd be happy to discuss it with whoever has a problem.

As for reading your journal and commenting on it...don't pretend that you don't know others read your journal. Come on now. I specifically commented that I don't give a fuck that you comment on us in "chat". I didn't even mention the journal, I only commented cause you posted. Like Ive said before...dont want an answer to your post. Then don't post. Or don't be suprised when someone does answer. Cause you and I both know you wouldn't have put it there if you didn't thinks someone would comment. come on now.

And you did quite specifically say that Spooks leads me around by a collar like a dog. You can say you didn't if you like...and As far as I know I personally have not refered to you leading anyone around by the nose. It's not something I worry about.

And who said they dare not speak the list name? We perfer that this does not fall into a flame war...and it stays off list. Why is that a problem? I'm confused at that point. Do people on your list constantly mention tallific? I doubt it.

Re: Don't be bitter...and don't blame it on us...

[rsadelle]

I posted it here and not on my list because I know that several of the people on both lists read my journal, and I wanted to write about it here. It is my journal, and I can say whatever I want.

I didn't mean to imply that I don't want comments. I merely asked why you feel the need to read my journal if you think its all so stupid.

I know when I was on tallific (I was calling it "the list that dare not speak its name" in reference to the way that it supposedly tries to stay hidden from all and sundry), there was no way I ever felt comfortable talking to any of the three of you S's about what bothered me. I would think that there are other people who felt and do feel that way.

"And you did quite specifically say that Spooks leads me around by a collar like a dog."
Please do tell me when and where I said that. I quite frankly do not remember saying anything of the sort.

As I said in my miscellaneous comments, I'm writing about this because I'm angry and bitter and I feel like it's time for me to talk about it. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it.

Re: Don't be bitter...and don't blame it on us...

[(Anonymous)]

Well...first of all in reference to the leading and collar comment. It was told to me my at least three different people, at different times. It was said in chat, and these people felt I didn't deserve it. I chose to ignore it...'cause as I said I don't follow anyone. I do what I feel is right...If people see that as following someone...just because I agree with them. That's a bit unfair.

Second. I didn't say you couldnt use your journal as you see fit. I didn't call it stupid. As a matter of fact, i payed no attention till I found out I was on your buddy list. I didn't say I didnt like it. I just commented. I don't go around telling people how they should feel. I will give my opinion on what they state if it effects me. They don't have to like it, or agree with it. It's as simple as that. I also don't view it as a personal attack. But I do speak my mind.

Third, well i don't know what to say as far as you not feeling comfortable with coming to me. I have had two or 3 people who have had a problem or a question come to me. I have also stated on list, that people can come to me...or discuss things that are bothering them on list. I think I'm fair...i try to be, but I'm far from perfect.

As far as the hidden part. It's a private list, and It's always been that way and I'm comfortable with that. The people who join the list seem comfortable. That was an upfront thing from the begining, it's never changed. There is a public one now...that people can join if they want their stuff to be public. I don't mind...its a matter of author choice. Just because it's not your choice does not make it a wrong or a bad one.

If there are rules and people accept them from the beginning when they join...then there is no problem...if people want something to change, and a majority feel that way...it's been decided as a list. By a vote. We have done it. But like anything else, If people don't vote...then they can't complain.

Re: Don't be bitter...and don't blame it on us...

[rsadelle]

"If people see that as following someone...just because I agree with them. That's a bit unfair. "

And yet the implication in people's responses to various things Nette has said is that just because she agrees with me, then she must be following me. I'm not saying you're a blind Spooky follower just because you agree with her. I'm not saying that about anyone.

How many other people are there who have problems with the list that you don't know about because they don't feel comfortable talking to one of the three S's? I've talked to people recently who are unhappy with the list and who don't feel like they can talk to you about it. I'm sure y'all have talked to people who are unhappy with metslash, but don't feel like they can tell me about it.