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I never thought the Chris characterization in this story was quite right, but I really liked it as a story, and kept hoping I would go back to it, but since I haven't worked on it in years, it's time to WIP Amnesty it. (Although I reserve the right to cannibalize the world building for parts, because I still love it.) Fair warning that it's unintentionally very D/s-y.

At some point, I started building a playlist for this story, even though the story wasn't finished.

Orbit 50: The Soundtrack )


Story )
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Christian Kane is at the top of a new list: bands I would go to Sacramento to see again. The concert was fucking awesome, and the experience was tons of fun.

The Stoney Inn is a funky place: you come into the small front bar, which has karaoke, stairs to a tiny upstairs area, bathrooms, and the door to the back bar/performance space. In the back bar, there are tables and bar-height seating around the dance floor that's right in front of the stage. (If you paid for either level of expensive tickets, you got a reserved seat. The rest of us stood, which was fine with me and [livejournal.com profile] norwich36 hung around the edges and sat when someone either didn't show up or vacated their reserved seat.)

The first opener was a girl named Pammie Lowe. Everything she was wearing sparkled. Her bassist and drummer were about as young as she was (I found an article saying she was 21 as of November 2010). Her two guitarists (she was also playing guitar) and the keyboardist were all old enough to be her dad, or possibly even her grandpa. (If you've seen Country Strong, Pammie Lowe reminded me a bit of the first time we see Chiles on stage, only with less stage presence and no stage fright.) There was a woman on the dance floor trying to get people to dance. I assume it was Pammie Lowe's aunt as mom was probably the woman right in front of the stage taking pictures. There were a few truly skilled couples who did some country swing dancing, and the people who seemed to be Stoney Inn regulars eventually started line dancing. After the first one, I joined in even though I didn't know what I was doing - the regulars were used to this and kept pointing us newbies in the right direction - which was tons of fun.

Picture )

The second opener was the Brodie Stewart Band. They did a couple of covers that were fun - including Bon Jovi's "Wanted Dead or Alive," which only made us feel more like we were in a J2 AU - but that's really all there is to say about them. The most notable thing about their set is that there is a teeny tiny balcony area up above the stage, and Steve was up there watching for part of it. (I decided not to be ultra creepy and refrained from taking a picture of him up there.)

Between sets, there was line dancing, and I mean serious line dancing. The dance floor cleared enough space for a large group of people to line dance and then the DJ called each dance and counted everyone in. There were two women I couldn't stop watching.

Picture )

This is not the best picture of them, but you can get the idea. They spent a lot of time dancing together, which was interesting in that it wasn't quite the girls dancing together for the attention of men thing (although the two drunk guys with cowboy hats - Jared and Jensen in the AU - did come dance with them a bit later, which kind of ruined my enjoyment of them for those brief periods of time), but more that they were just having fun. Both [livejournal.com profile] norwich36 and I hope they're actually lesbians and not just friends out having fun together. (In the AU, they're Danneel and Katy Cassidy. Alternately, I now kind of want to read or write a country novel where there's a lesbian couple and a gay couple and they go to shows together because it's less dangerous/more socially acceptable.)

Kane (at the very end, Chris said, "We're Kane," which was awesome since I thought they'd abandoned that as a band name and were doing everything under Christian Kane) finally came on around ten. They were so fucking awesome. I'm an Original Kaniac (as silly as the term is), so obviously I was going to think they were awesome, but they really were totally awesome. I worked my way up so I was in the thick of the crowd (maybe five or six people deep from the stage), and despite being short, I managed to see both Chris and Steve. People, I don't know how to tell you how much I loved this experience, so let me stick to highlights:

This got long. )

Pictures! Kane on stage and me with Steve. )

Out of order (but complete, I think) set list: The House Rules; Callin' All Country Women; American Made; Let's Take a Drive; Let Me Go (Chris said this is going to be the next single); Thinking of You; Whiskey In Mind; Seven Days; Middle American Saturday Night; Luckenbach, Texas; something of Jason's that I didn't catch the name of (maybe "Faith"? It was the one song none of us knew); Blaze; and Rattlesnake Smile as the encore.

WIP Post

Feb. 15th, 2011 09:05 pm
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I've seen a couple of different WIP posts/memes floating about, and I love both reading and doing those. This is bits from everything I think I might actually write more of or finish editing, except the Leighton/Vicky-T, which I still might finish for [livejournal.com profile] bandombigbang and so can't be shared elsewhere. There are a lot of things I don't think I'm going to write more of, and if you all will help me remember, I'll do some snippet/plot bunny posts this weekend. (You'll notice there are no Mike/Kevin bingo squares in here. I don't think I'm ever going to finish any of those. I'll eventually post them as never finished fic instead.)

I had to retrieve one of these and a couple of things for the plot bunny posts from Twitter, where I also found that I'd said this: "Description of my Twitter habits: Sometimes I write kinky sex. And then sometimes I interrupt the kinky sex to write different kinky sex." So true!


WIPs )
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According to the dates on the file, I worked on this over three weeks in February-March of this year. What's fascinating to me, reading it now, is how many of the plot points I reused in You Have My Heart (in your hands).

I think the last paragraph is actually the first part of the story I wrote.


Chris, Steve, and a baby. )
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You may remember the beginning of September when I posted about my goals for the month. This is the report on that.

First up, my [livejournal.com profile] wastethesewords goals:

  1. Clean up/get someone to golf-check/post the Chris/Aldis golfing story - Done!

  2. Clean up/post the Gabe/Spencer corset variations - Done! (1 and 2)

  3. Finish the Jared/Jensen/Danneel porn (It just needs the rest of the spanking scene!) - Done! (Eventually I will clean this up and post it. But not today.)

  4. Clean up/post the Jared/Summer story - Done!

  5. Finish moving all my fic from my website to LJ - Done! Everything has also been delicious tagged.

  6. Figure out what happens next in the Chris/Steve space AU or officially decide to give it up - More or less done, meaning I wrote the first line of the next section yesterday, so I haven't given up and I know what the next scene is.
I also said I would claim/post a few things I wrote for [livejournal.com profile] anon_lovefest, and I did that too: Across the Street and Two Blocks Down, Show You A Good Time, and Cobras Only. I also posted the Chris/Steve kidfic snippet.

I mentioned there were a couple of things I didn't know what to do with, and I posted one of those too.

And let's also check in on the other things I'm writing:

  • The thing previously known as "ruth's joe/nick control fic" is now known as "ruth and [livejournal.com profile] lakeeffectgirl's joe/nick control fic," and it's coming along. One of the things I like about it is that I read it over the other day and it wasn't obvious which parts I wrote and which parts she wrote.

  • I've written a little more of the Mike/Kevin Halloween story, but not a whole lot, partly because I got distracted by the babyfic (see below) and partly because I was unsure about what I was doing with it. I'm less unsure now, because after a break, I reread what I have of it and found that I really like it.

  • I did manage to resist writing a Mike/Kevin wedding night PWP, but I may have satisfied my Mike bottoming wishes in something else. (I promise not to be mysterious forever; you'll see it eventually if you haven't already.)

  • What I did write in September was nearly 11,000 words of Gabe/Victoria babyfic for [livejournal.com profile] bandomrarepair. I've been sending bits of it to [livejournal.com profile] schuyler every day, which is helping to keep me on track. I do have to start writing more per day, though, because that 11,000 words covers six months, and there's still another year of their lives to go before the end, and it has to be posted at the end of November. I'm finding myself amused by it because I have three documents for it - one is the story, one is my notes for the story, and one is the timeline.

  • I wrote a random Spencer pov gen snippet that I don't know what to do with. I mostly did it for the snappy dialogue and the conversation I wanted Shane and Spencer to have about spending time with Brendon when he doesn't want to be alone.

  • I also wrote the beginning of a Fuck City boywives AU. I do know what the beginning of the next scene should be, but I pretty much stopped with Matt because I'm not confident that I know the other three well enough to write them. Also, the idea of increasing numbers of people in sex scenes is somewhat intimidating.
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Title: The Popsicle Man
Author: Ruth Sadelle Alderson
Pairing: Chris/Steve (past Steve/Danneel)
Rating: FRAO
Word Count: 3000
Disclaimer: Completely made up.
Summary: "Look! Ice cream!" Kayla tugged at Steve's hand. "Please, Daddy, please can we get some?" AU.
Notes: This started as a writing exercise from my writing group (I had the prompts "look," "full house," and "plant," which became bushes in the end). I eventually realized I wanted to write the beginning and something that's near the end, but not all the intervening parts.


The Popsicle Man )
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[livejournal.com profile] airgiodslv is running a WIP completion challenge over at [livejournal.com profile] wastethesewords. It turns out I have fewer WIPs and more completed things I never cleaned up. You can see my list of goals here.

What I didn't put on the list but will also do in September is claim/post some of my fic from [livejournal.com profile] anon_lovefest. I don't know what to do about the thing I wrote for [livejournal.com profile] jbkinkmeme - it seems to be a never-ending meme - so it may not get claimed. I might also get around to posting the Chris/Steve kidfic AU snippet that's as done as I'm going to get it but doesn't have a title.

Then there are the things I don't know what to do with. I have a Brendon gen piece I wrote for [livejournal.com profile] anon_lovefest but didn't post because someone else had already posted one for that prompt and it was into the next week by the time I finished it. I have a Brendon/Spencer thing that I'm really unsure about and keep thinking maybe I should just hold onto until an appropriate prompt shows up on [livejournal.com profile] anon_lovefest (or maybe I should just dump into my unfinished folder never to see the light of day). I have a Pete/Patrick story I started writing for an [livejournal.com profile] anon_lovefest prompt but am not entirely sure about, and which seems to have hit a good place for an ending that isn't the ending I was intending.

And while we're on the subject of a fic roundup, there are the things I'm currently working on. One is the thing [livejournal.com profile] lakeeffectgirl dubbed "ruth's joe/nick control fic" which came out of my wanting Joe goading Nick into taking control. I keep getting stuck, but I might have decided what happens next. Maybe. The other thing I'm currently working on is a Mike Carden/Kevin Jonas fic for this prompt. It took Kevin 2500 words to realize Mike wasn't actually a girl. The thing I'm not yet working on but might not be able to resist writing is a Mike/Kevin wedding night PWP where Mike bottoms. (Largely because I suspect that when people get around to writing them sex scenes, Kevin's going to bottom all the time, and my rebellious streak is kicking in early. Also because I think it would be hot.)
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This is the last of my kink fic recs for this series, and this is the superstar to end all superstars. If you read only one story out of this series, read this one. Even if you don't read kink fic, read this one. Even if you don't read J2, read this one. It's not only my favorite of all of these recs, it's quite possibly my favorite piece of fan fic of all time.

The story is [livejournal.com profile] technosage's Break Loose Ranch series. The main story arc is J2; there's also some Chris/Steve, Chad/Steve, and Chris/Dave.

Break Loose Ranch is a half-AU in which Jensen became an actor while Jared has a ranch in Texas. They meet when Jared's right-hand man Chad drags him to a Kane show. It's not particularly kinky on the surface, but there's a beautiful d/s undertone to Jared and Jensen's relationship:
Jared splays his palm over his lower back, steadying. "Where's the lube, baby?"

Not, do you have any? Not, did you bring? Quiet, confident, knowing - because, whether he's saying it or not, Jensen is his, and he always carries slick for Jared. For them, so they can have each other wherever and whenever inspiration strikes, because Jared, fucking Prince Charming, won't take him without - not unless he's got time to lick him wide and wet.

"Jacket...pocket," he pants out, and Jared doesn't ask which. Right, always right. Jared's right-handed and so is he. Make things easy, easy for Jared.
But even if d/s isn't your thing, you should read this series because the language and the tone are so beautifully perfect:
In Jared's experience, you can tell a lot about a person from what they eat and how. Take Jared, he prefers flapjacks for breakfast, straight up, nothing fancy in them, just a golden brown batter with a hint of nut, real creamery butter with salt for just the right mix of flavors -- and a spill of thick maple syrup worth pushing a stack of pancakes around a plate to catch the last ever-loving drop of. He figures that says a lot about him, like he's a good 'ol boy, appreciates life's simple pleasures, but he wants what he wants and he'll go to some serious lengths to get it.

Now Jensen, on the other hand, well, Jensen eats about as pretty as he does everything else. Prefers waffles to pancakes, which don't make no never mind, like his mama always says. Jared's got batter for both in the fridge and about now, he'd make Jensen chicken cordon bleu if he asked for it. But when Jared sips his cinnamon-laced chicory blend and watches Jensen cut each bite two squares by two squares, bisecting the ribs of the waffle so the syrup won't run, now that's something worth noting. He figures it means Jensen's had plenty of rough times and takes his happiness where he finds it, always expecting it to run out on him. Not like Jared hadn't figured that out already, but somehow a stack of waffles eaten neat and tidy as you please kinda cements it.

Sunlight streams through the window, kissing Jensen's fresh-showered chest and biceps like Jared wishes he was. Fact is, Jensen looks good in his kitchen, damned good, like Jared could see every morning for forever and never get bored.
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I'm writing a Chris/Steve space AU, and I made a character decision about Chris. It made sense that if space AU Chris likes heat, enclosed spaces, and higher gravity, then he would like being held down. And then I've continued that character piece farther into the story. I even changed the casting of one of the other characters to go with it.

A long time ago, there was thread on some X-Files fic list or newsgroup (I wasn't kidding when I said it was a long time ago) called "No Mary Sues for Alex?" which tackled the relative dearth of Krycek/Mary Sue fic. I remember the conclusion being that people tended to just make Krycek their Mary Sue. I've been thinking about that as I've been working my way through this space AU.

(This is an interesting intersection with my continuing doubts about writing Chris. I don't think my Chris is anything like real Chris. [I think there's only one or two authors writing a Chris who's anything like real Chris.] On the other hand, I have to listen to real Chris with the aural equivalent of peeking through my fingers, so I'm not sure I would want to read real Chris.)

I've also been thinking of my favorite quote about writing about sex. It's from Tony Kushner, who says, "It is impossible to talk or write about sex without revealing too much of yourself. Whereas conversely it is possible I think to have sex and reveal nothing of yourself whatsoever."

I had an interesting experience with this. [livejournal.com profile] norwich36 and I exchange fic recs all the time. A lot of them are things with interesting plots or that are amusing, but a fair number of them are about things that are hot. We also had a relatively involved discussion about BDSMy stories way back on my post about the first J2 stories I read. She's also read some of my fic. I give you all this background so you know that we already talk about this kind of thing all the time. Then we started talking erotica ebooks over email, and I wrote a long email to her about the ebooks I've read. I was reading it over before I sent it, and I thought, "It's a good thing she knows me pretty well already, because this is pretty revealing." It was almost uncomfortably revealing. I think there are two things that made it so uncomfortable. First of all, ebooks take more of an investment than fic. They cost money, and you're stuck with them, so you have to choose carefully. Secondly, it was startling to look at the list all at once and see the pattern, especially in the things I bought myself (as opposed to the things I got from other people). Almost all the things I really liked, and a large number of the things I bought were BDSM or BDSMy. And yet, I've written a fair amount about kink, so I'm not sure why this particular email made me feel quite so exposed.

A Confession

Oh, no, wait, maybe I do at least know why I keep thinking/talking about this now. It's been weeks since I last wrote anything on either of the novels I'm supposed to be writing because I quit my job to be a writer. I've only admitted that to maybe two other people. If I tell the truth about my penchant for kink fic, does that balance out my not-telling about my writing?
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I always feel guilty when I post long, serious things, like I should immediately follow it up with something more fun. So this is more fun! Two miscellaneous Chris/Steve AU bunnies:

The Chef AU

For some reason, the chef AU became very popular in a very short amount of time. I think I read four different J2 chef AUs in the period of a week or so. And because my mind is (almost) all Chris/Steve all the time, I thought they should have a chef AU too.

Steve is the head chef at 67, owned by Eric Kripke. Let's make Danneel his sous chef (if Chris has a female sous chef, we'll give Steve one too), Jared the pastry chef, and Jensen the cute waiter. Maybe the three of them can have a threesome thing going on. Jeff would have to be there too. Let's make him the sommelier. Maybe Mike's the crazy busboy and Tom's the other cute waiter.

Chris is the head chef at Hyperion, owned by Joss Whedon. Stephanie Romanov is his sous chef. Dave has to be there somewhere, so let's make him the sommelier. Alexis Denisof is the pastry chef, and he and waitress Alyson Hannigan have an adorable love affair going on. Mercedes McNabb is the hostess. James Marsters and Charisma Carpenter are bitchy waitstaff. Vincent Kartheiser is the broodingly teenage busboy. (Hmm. Except for the part where he's not actually a teenager. Maybe the fact that everyone thinks he is is part of what he's broody about.)

67 and Hyperion are competitors, of course, in the high-end restaurant business. Chris and Steve somehow meet outside of that and fall in love and there's possibly drama about them working at competing restaurants. I don't know. I mostly just wanted to cast it.

The Werewolf AU

Steve's Alpha of his own pack now, a group of musicians, artists, actors: people doing the work their souls tell them they should be doing.

Chris is Steve's mate, which makes him pack second, although he'd probably be that even without it. Steve took Chris from another pack, or, more accurately, Chris came from another pack because Steve didn't fight for him head on. First of all, he wasn't entirely sure he could win that fight with Chris's Alpha, and secondly, he was pretty sure Chris was the type of guy who wouldn't mind being reminded of who he belonged to but wouldn't appreciate being taken in the first place. So Steve went the long way around and applied his music, his cooking, and the firm certainty of his love until Chris left his pack and joined Steve's of his own volition.

Aldis came from Chris's old pack too. He's barely a pup, and he adores Chris. Steve's had to growl to most new wolves and too many older wolves new to the pack that they're to obey Chris as they would him; Chris had to take Aldis aside and tell him to obey Steve as he would Chris. Even though Aldis is new to the pack and hasn't quite learned to read the lines of power, he knows that Chris is Steve's.

Powerful wolves can tolerate silver, and silver jewelry is one of the things wolves look for when they're sizing each other up. Chris has a box full of the stuff. Steve buys him a piece to add to his collection, a wide cuff to cage his wrist. He has the inside engraved with four words in delicate script: wolves mate for life. It makes him feel better. Chris wears it to bed, nuzzles at Steve's neck and lets the metal rest against his skin. Steve doesn't need Chris's whispered "for life" to know what he means.

The thing about having Aldis around, though, is that he makes Jared look mature. Jared's older than he acts, although he hasn't said how much. Steve has some guesses he doesn't share. For a long time, Jared was a floater of sorts. He wasn't a lone wolf, exactly - he had pack ties, it's just that his pack was in Texas while he was in LA - but he hung out with any number of different packs. That was before he met Jensen. Jensen's been with Steve's pack almost since it formed. His previous pack wasn't bad, exactly, just not quite what Jensen needed. Jensen has a habit of getting himself into occasional trouble, nothing too big, just enough to be worrying. It was on one of those occasions that Jared met him, stood at his back and between them they finished the fight Jensen might or might not have started. Jared's been at Jensen's back since then.

This is where the villain should be introduced. The villain is a member of Chris and Aldis's old pack who is displeased that their Alpha (David Boreanaz, of course) didn't go get them back. I don't know who that should be, though. I only know that it can't be J. August Richards. The other subplot is about J (J.? Jay? He apparently refers to himself as J. and IMDb lists "Jay" as his nickname, but figuring out how to style this in prose without annoying or confusing readers is, well, annoying and confusing.) wanting Aldis to come back to their pack because he genuinely likes/is fond of/maybe loves Aldis and wants him there.
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I was browsing [livejournal.com profile] wolfpup2000's LA Con photos (How awesome is it that she did a whole post of people's shoes?), and I was looking at the pictures of Steve (panel, concert) and considering his newly short hair, and I thought, "I don't think this is a good look for him. He kind of looks like someone. Hmm. It kind of makes him look like Timothy Hutton." At that point, I cracked up and realized it was time to go to yoga and had to put off writing this post.

Here's why that cracked me up: when fangirls talk about connections, we talk about the Aldis-Chris having previous coworkers/friends in common thing. But if you pay attention to what Chris and other people are saying, Tim is the one Chris has really become friends with. I keep thinking there needs to be some Chris/Tim. So the idea that now Steve looks vaguely more like Tim (not a lot, just something about how the hair falls over his forehead, plus the round face) brings me to my wacky bunny: Steve's totally jealous and making himself look more like what he thinks Chris wants now.

(And now I'll go back to my Chris/Steve space AU and my Aldis/Chris/J. August Richards fic.)
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Status updates I would have posted to a fannish Facebook over the past couple of days:
  • Ruth is looking at naked pictures of David Boreanaz's wife.

  • Ruth would like Chris and Steve to stop standing around and get in bed.

  • Ruth worries that her space AU needs a plot.

  • Ruth finds Dave and Jaime adorable, plus Dave's wearing Chris's shirt: http://www.jamd.com/image/g/3152108

  • Ruth's bracket says Dean, but her heart says Barney.
[livejournal.com profile] lakeeffectgirl suggested Twitter as a platform for this, but I think I need a specifically fannish thing. I did post my thoughts about 2009 Fandom Steel Cage Match March Madness (and you can watch the community for future years: [livejournal.com profile] f_march_madness) as Facebook status updates, but the other things, well, maybe not so appropriate for a venue where my audience includes such folks as my mother, my teenage cousins, and a handful of ex-coworkers.

I'm also skeptical about Twitter, which probably means I'll end up using it in the near future. Here's what bothers me most about it: I already have LJ and Facebook that I load and reload eighty bajillion times a day; do I really need one more such thing? I also don't have a cell phone, so updating via texting is not a feature that I would have much use for. To let you know how lame and old-school I really am: for the one person I am following on Twitter (Steve Carlson, because this has the potential to be both hilarious and awful, although so far it's mostly boring), I created an LJ feed for it ([livejournal.com profile] scarlsontwitter) so I can just read it on my friends page. (I would do this with the two other people I'd like to follow, but their Twitter feeds [updates? What's the proper terminology here?] are protected, so I can't.)
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A little in the way of blahblahblah. )

This is not part of my attempt at an unhappy story, so you can read it without fear. There is a lot of sex, which may be an enticement or a warning, depending on your perspective.

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Not Ever )
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This is another part of my attempt to write an unhappy story. Consider yourself forewarned again.

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Brokenhearted )
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This was amusing to me, so I took a screenshot for you. (This is what I feel like doing on a Saturday night.)

Oh, My Fangirl Self )
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(I am going to attempt to embed video here. I've never done this. I have no idea if it'll work or not. If not, check back later, because I'll keep trying to fix it. Also, if things start playing automatically and you find it annoying, you should install flashblock.)

Anyway, a few days ago, [livejournal.com profile] keepaofthecheez posted a hilarious video that needs to be shared, but I didn't know who I should share it with, which is why you all get to be shared with.

How To Give A Great Man To Man Hug


General Etiquette:How To Give A Great Man To Man Hug

Then, I saw a link to a Leverage behind the scenes sort of thing which asks cast members "Who is most like their character?" If you've been paying attention to me recently, you probably know where this is going. Whether you do or not, it's still entertaining enough to watch.

Leverage - Behind The Scenes: Most Like Character



(Also entertaining is the one where Aldis says he and Chris just wanted chairs with their names on them and they finally got them. This may explain why Chris looks so uncomfortable in the picture where Beth's in his chair. He just wants his own chair! Be forewarned that some of their behind the scenes vids are spoilery for eps that haven't yet aired.)

Even as I was entertained by these two videos and thought about posting them here, I thought, "But how do I connect them together?" And then I was watching/listening to videos of Kane live, and I came across a video of Christian Kane doing "Let Me Go" (which I love) live. The person taping was far enough away from the stage that there are people wandering in and out of the frame between the camera and Chris. Two of those people are a couple of men who have a man to man hug that is both quite long and also repeated. I'm not sure what the etiquette teacher voice from the first video would say about that.

Let Me Go (Live)



Now I'm watching Four Sheets to the Wind. Oh, Chris, why do you end up in these not that good, place-specific indie movies where you have sex scenes that last less than ten seconds? And more importantly, why haven't I learned that watching movies just because you're in them is not really a good idea?

I also just read through a transcript of an older Q&A (linked from [livejournal.com profile] dea_liberty's Steve/Chris Tin-Hat PARTY post) wherein Chris says, in response to a question about other skills and talents, "I normally cook on this whole thing, but Steve's an unbelieveable cook, so I can't take that from him, cuz when I learned, I learned from him. So I love to cook, I cook everyday, that's my favorite thing to do. But he [Steve] went to culinary school so...fuck him! You won. He's a really really good cook, so that's your thing Steve..." *swoon*

(I kind of want to ask if anyone's tried to make a Chris and Steve timeline for easy reference, but apparently there's been wank in the past over the whole Kane the band becoming Christian Kane the solo artist thing, and I don't know either of the communities I started watching well enough to know if asking is a good idea or not.)

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